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Sunday, June 12, 2016

Why to outlaw the Q'uran

Because it is the quran that unites every last Islamist and Islamic Terrorist.

43 comments:

  1. I studied the Koran and found it crude in comparison to the Lotus Sutra, ....It would not hold an argument for more than a few minutes, I suppose...a junior high student could evaluate the two without much trouble....

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  2. I agree that the time for p/r and doctrinal compromise is over.....we can still be friendly with other faiths, but the basis of the lotus is discrete.....the people in the world, on the ground, are hungry for an idealogic revolution and comprehensive rejection of the whole putrid, civil mess......everybody is feeling the profound malaise.....outraged by the millionaire/billionaire/[trillionaire?], money/hungry-demons[asuras]......these elites function in a different, amoral universe, apparently......the u.s. has lost its dignity and animus, as a token of an enlightened, benevolent society, who now warps or slanders the aspirations of decent citizens of our ''civilized'' world......, with the tidal wave, as Nichiren foresaw, of rampant spirits in our midst, ......ever since the covert coup/assassination and evil cover-up of November '63,.....to advance the premise that ''human revolution'' will change the current, criminally-certified matrix of corpo-crony, un-democratic governments, at home or abroad, is simplistic and stupid.....human revolution is fine, but without a political phallanx, it reverts to narcissism, or nullification of the immutable conscience and senses..

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  3. ah, yes 63' ! i must agree.

    unfortunately, what we see today, is not the lotus sutra being upheld, we see it being slandered and the effects of that slander.

    do you have a long history with nichirens buddhism?

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  4. Advocating the banning of a book puts you in the same sad company as the Texas woman running for a position on the Texas state school board. She tried currying favor with fellow wingnuts, much like yourselves, saying "Obama has a soft spot for homosexuals because of the years he spent as a male prostitute in his twenties. That is how he paid for his drugs." To most everyones great relief, Mary Lou Bruner lost her election bid.

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  5. Fine. and I have no use for the evil q'uran or for those like you who defend it.

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  6. I'm against banning books but then this would be hard to explain to those who don't know the difference between an analogy and a direct teaching, a matter and a principle, or a Vulture and an eagle. I have no use for those who espouse fascist religious dogma disguised as Buddhism.

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  7. Then get lost. Remember what I said about outlawing the Q'uran when facing the barrel of an AK 47 and hearing the words, Allahu Akbar.

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  8. ohgee enjoys denigrating the law. apparently, this is how he gets his kicks. hardcore muslims don't get along with anyone, including themselves. i suggest he go to the middle east, explain to them what he believe's and let them throw rocks at his head while buried up to his neck. or maybe he can fake it and be one of the rock throwers. either way, the relationship with the buddhas dharma is established.

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  9. Put down the bottle and seek 'professional' help.

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  10. You are on the wrong side of this issue and the wrong side of history. Denigrating the Buddha's children won't change either.

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  11. Advocating the banning of a book, whether Q'uran or other, is being on the wrong side of history, in case you forgot the issue.

    "All Buddha-children, having heard this Dharma from us,
    would contemplate night and day
    and diligently practice it."
    [Lotus Sutra, Chapter 4 - Faith & Understanding]

    "All Buddha-children, having heard this Dharma from us," refers to Bodhisattvas. Bodhisattvas follow the Buddha's words; they act according to the Buddha-Dharma. They heard the Buddha and listened to the teachings and cultivated them. Disciples who truly accept the teachings are called Buddha-children. Bodhisattvas go among people. They don't hang around a blog and create afflictons, not to mention karma and then cry that they're persecuted.

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  12. "Though for the sake of the children of all Buddhas
    we expounded the Bodhisattva Way
    so they could seek the path to Buddhahood,
    regarding this Great Dharma,
    we never aspired to nor delighted in it."
    [Lotus Sutra, Chapter 4 - Faith and Understanding]

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  13. As usual, ohgee picks an out of context passage to the discussion at hand. Pitiful and revealing.

    "When monks, nuns, laymen, or laywomen uphold the Lotus Sutra, if anyone should speak ill of them, curse, or slander them, he will suffer severe recompense for his crime, as I have explained earlier. And I have also explained earlier the benefits gained by those who uphold the sutra, namely, purification of their eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind."

    “Again, if after the thus come one has entered extinction there are those who hear this sutra and do not slander or speak ill of it but feel joy in their hearts, you should know that this is a sign that they have already shown deep faith and understanding. How much more in the case of persons who read, recite, and embrace this sutra! Such persons are in effect receiving the thus come one on the crown of their heads."

    “Therefore, suppose a person of wisdom should be a voice-hearer and fail to observe the three refuges, or the five precepts, the eight precepts, the precepts of a monk, the precepts of a nun, the precepts of a male novice, the precepts of a female novice, the precepts of a shikshamana, or the various rules of proper conduct, or suppose out of ignorance, lack of goodness, or evilness of mind he should violate many of the precepts or rules of conduct. If such a person wishes to wipe these out and cause himself to be free of faults, to become a proper monk once more and observe all the rules as they pertain to the shramana, then he should diligently practice and read the broad and impartial sutra, ponder its highest principle, the profound teaching of emptiness, and cause the wisdom of emptiness to be reflected in his mind. One should understand that a person who does this will in the space of each succeeding instant of thought wipe away, forever and without residue, all offenses and blemish. This is called carrying out to the fullest the rules and precepts of the shramana, and fulfilling all the rules of conduct. Such a person is worthy to receive alms from all human and heavenly beings.

    “Suppose a layman should violate the rules of conduct, doing things that are not good. Doing things that are not good means discoursing on the errors and shortcomings of the Law of the buddhas, discussing the evils or offenses committed by the four kinds of believers, or stealing or committing acts of lewdness p.395without any feeling of shame. If such a person wishes to repent and wipe out his offenses, he should diligently read and recite the broad and impartial sutra and ponder its highest principle.

    “Suppose a ruler, a high minister, a Brahman, a householder, a rich man, an official, or some other person of this sort in his insatiable greed for gain should commit the five cardinal sins, slander the broad and impartial sutra, or carry out the ten evil acts. As recompense for such acts of great evil, he is certain to fall into the evil paths and be beaten by violent rainstorms. Inevitably he will fall into the Avichi hell. If such a person wishes to wipe out the impediments of such acts, he should summon up feelings of shame and remorse and determine to remedy his offenses.”

    cont...

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    1. Obviously, you don't know the ten evil acts or understand your own quotations. Try listening for once and maybe you'll learn something but it's your blog and clearly you will get the last word, whether relevant or not. Believe it or not, I wonder how far your ignorance will travel. Amazing!

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    2. Certainly ohgee, your opposition to my blog and criticisms have about as much significance as a fart in a hurricane.

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  14. The Buddha said, “What is it that is called the Kshatriya and householder’s method of repentance? In the Kshatriya and householder’s method of repentance, you should simply maintain an upright mind, never slander the three treasures, never impede those who wish to leave household life, and never cause harm or difficulty to those who are carrying out brahma practices. Concentrate your thoughts upon the practice of the six rules of thought.3 In addition, you should offer sustenance and alms to those who uphold the great vehicle, and invariably do honor and obeisance to them. You should think upon and keep in mind the profound teaching of the sutra, the highest principle of emptiness. One who keeps these rules in mind may be said to be carrying out the first act of repentance for Kshatriyas and householders.
    “The second act of repentance is to be filial and caring toward one’s father and mother, and respectful and reverent toward one’s teachers. This is called the second act in the method of repentance.

    “The third act of repentance is to use the correct Law to order the country and not to lead the people astray with erroneous views. This is called the third act of repentance."

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  15. “The third act of repentance is to use the correct Law to order the country and not to lead the people astray with erroneous views. This is called the third act of repentance."

    To outlaw the filthy evil q'uran is one way to repay our debt of gratitude to the Law and the Buddha and to perform the third act of repentance.

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  16. If you refuse to go among people like a stubborn child, where's the repentance in that? Don't bet on the Donald Dharma protector to do your dirty work.

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  17. You are a child ohgee. I am among 40 - 50 people everyday suffering from hemorrhoids to pancreatic cancer, from anxiety to catatonia, or from insect bites to aplastic anemia. I am their problem solver whether it be multiple suicide attempts or round worm infestation. You should be 1/2 as much among the people as I.

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  18. ohgee-- not again !!!

    Your comments imply a very low level of regard for the inherent dignity of all living beings, which is shocking considering the sutra passages you are apt to quote.

    Oghee : "I'm against banning books but then this would be hard to explain to those who don't know the difference between an analogy and a direct teaching, a matter and a principle, or a Vulture and an eagle. I have no use for those who espouse fascist religious dogma disguised as Buddhism. "

    I notice that rather than discuss your opposing views or substantiate your debate-- FROM the teachings of the True Buddha, you support your arbitrary beliefs (arrogance) by insulting the *person* whose statements (based on the Lotus Sutra),you find disagreeable. (slander). I will illustrate the difference between debating an issue and slandering a true believer-- by way of example---

    Whether or not any book can be outlawed, banned or even destroyed is itself a matter of conjecture, but the analogy or point I take to heart is the degree to which the contents, in this case religious teachings are threatening, dangerous, destructive. In other words, merely saying "ban this evil teaching* is calling attention to the source of misery; a call to denounce the evil that leads people so far astray that they extol degradation of human life, including their own, as the highest virtue and path to gaining reward from a divine deity, to whom they have demonstrated loyalty via killing innocent people and martyring themselves with alacrity.

    I would argue that, outlaw= eradicate or defeat, and that the power of the Law, the Buddha's highest teaching is the means for breaking attachments to erroneous * teachings * that cause suffering.

    People, other living beings with whom you have a connection via your own causes, virtually every other living being, BTW, is not existing to fulfill *your* needs, ohgee-- you would do well to consider deleting the phrase *No use for people...* from your pious lexicon-- it reveals you in the light you project on to others here.

    I wonder if you can discuss your opposition to an issue without degrading a follower of Nichiren-- or intentionally insulting the host of Eagle Peak?

    I pity you, that you don't receive warnings, effects for your slander of a votary of the Lotus Sutra. Poor prognosis that is-- If you repent your offenses and dedicate yourself to correct practice and faith in the Lotus Sutra, you will gain the benefit of clear perception and immediate awareness of your errors.

    How strange that you deliberately seek to degrade the true Law, and you do so with alacrity-- no different than the misguided zealots who believe that a deity who grants rewards for the murder of innocents is worthy of worship!!

    ~Katie









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    1. I'm not at war with one billion muslims. And yes, we all know of the virtues and merits of our dear host of Eagle Peak. Ask him! Just ask Donald Trump about his unlimited philanthropy.

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    2. No. I'm asking you, ohgee, what is the point of your personal attacks?

      You show hatred and jealousy-- period.

      This time it looks like *jealousy*, but your slander in the same--

      ~Katie

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    3. Read the last 10 or so post headers on EP. For example, "Hardly one in ten thousand can avoid committing slander ..." sounds like an "attack" to me. Funny how when y'all come under criticism, you act like persecuted victims.
      The Eight Sufferings are the
      1.Suffering of birth, 2. aging, 3. Illness
      and 4. death,
      5. parting with those we love,
      6. not getting what we want,
      7. meeting those we hate
      and 8. the raging Five Aggregates.
      So meeting on EP for me is #7. I don't like narrow minded people. I don't like you and I don't give a fig whatever you think of me. Am I jealous of clever people? Maybe.
      But I pity the clever who lack wisdom, decency or goodness.

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    4. Really? Forgetting your FIRST comment-- Mr. POT-- to the KETTLE?

      "Advocating the banning of a book puts you in the same sad company as the Texas woman running for a position on the Texas state school board. She tried currying favor with fellow wingnuts, much like yourselves, saying "Obama has a soft spot for homosexuals because of the years he spent as a male prostitute in his twenties. That is how he paid for his drugs." To most everyones great relief, Mary Lou Bruner lost her election bid."

      All YOU do, ohgee is ATTACK true believers here-- lurking and waiting for the opportunity to defame and mock anyone who is CHANTING the daimoku with faith in Nichiren's teachings.

      YOU offer nothing here but the darkness that fuels your ignorant responses-- slandering the Law and its practitioners whom you
      come here to attack admitting you HATE us.

      But you don't HAVE to MEET with us--!!

      Simple common sense is enough to remind you-- YOU are choosing to encounter those you HATE-- No wisdom needed to realize what a FOOL you are--

      ~Katie

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    6. "So meeting on EP for me is meeting those we hate" [# 7 of the 8 Sufferings].

      Not surprised... Our vow to the Buddha....

      "We beg you not to worry.
      After the Buddha has passed into extinction,
      in an age of fear and evil
      we will preach far and wide.
      There will be many ignorant people
      who will curse and speak ill of us
      and will attack us with swords and staves,
      but we will endure all these things.
      In that evil age there will be monks
      with perverse wisdom and hearts that are fawning and crooked
      who will suppose they have attained what they have not attained,
      being proud and boastful in heart.
      Or there will be forest-dwelling monks
      wearing clothing of patched rags and living in retirement,
      who will claim they are practicing the true way,
      despising and looking down on all humankind.
      Greedy for profit and support,
      they will preach the Law to white-robed laymen
      and will be respected and revered by the world
      as though they were arhats who possess the six transcendental powers.
      These men with evil in their hearts,
      p.233constantly thinking of worldly affairs,
      will borrow the name of forest-dwelling monks
      and take delight in proclaiming our faults,
      saying things like this:
      “These monks are greedy
      for profit and support
      and therefore they preach non-Buddhist doctrines
      and fabricate their own scriptures
      to delude the people of the world.
      Because they hope to gain fame and renown thereby
      they make distinctions when preaching this sutra.”
      Because in the midst of great assemblies
      they constantly try to defame us,
      they will address the rulers, high ministers,
      Brahmans, and householders,
      as well as the other monks,
      slandering and speaking evil of us,
      saying, “These are men of perverted views
      who preach non-Buddhist doctrines!”
      But because we revere the Buddha
      we will bear all these evils.
      Though they treat us with contempt, saying,
      “You are all no doubt buddhas!”
      all such words of arrogance and contempt
      we will endure and accept.
      In a muddied kalpa, in an evil age,
      there will be many things to fear.
      Evil demons will take possession of others
      and through them curse, revile, and heap shame on us.
      But we, reverently trusting in the Buddha,
      will put on the armor of perseverance.
      In order to preach this sutra
      we will bear these difficult things.
      We care nothing for our bodies or lives
      but are anxious only for the unsurpassed way."

      cont.. .

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    7. and what you can expect ohgee...

      Whether the Buddha is in the world
      or has already entered extinction,
      if this person should slander
      a sutra such as this,
      or on seeing those who read, recite,
      copy, and uphold this sutra,
      should despise, hate, envy,
      or bear grudges against them,
      the penalty this person must pay—
      listen, I will tell you now:
      When his life comes to an end
      he will enter the Avichi hell,
      be confined there for a whole kalpa,
      p.111and when the kalpa ends, be born there again.
      He will keep repeating this cycle
      for a countless number of kalpas.
      Though he may emerge from hell,
      he will fall into the realm of beasts,
      becoming a dog or jackal,
      his form lean and scruffy,
      dark, discolored, with scabs and sores,
      something for men to make sport of.
      Or again he will be
      hated and despised by men,
      constantly plagued by hunger and thirst,
      his bones and flesh dried up,
      in life undergoing torment and hardship,
      in death buried beneath tiles and stones.
      Because he cut off the seeds of buddhahood
      he will suffer this penalty.
      If he should become a camel
      or be born in the shape of a donkey,
      his body will constantly bear heavy burdens
      and have the stick or whip laid on it.
      He will think only of water and grass
      and understand nothing else.
      Because he slandered this sutra,
      this is the punishment he will incur.
      Or he will be born as a jackal
      who comes to the village,
      body all scabs and sores,
      having only one eye,
      by the boys
      beaten and cuffed,
      suffering grief and pain,
      sometimes to the point of death.

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    8. And after he has died
      he will be born again in the body of a serpent,
      long and huge in size,
      p.112measuring five hundred yojanas,
      deaf, witless, without feet,
      slithering along on his belly,
      with little creatures
      biting and feeding on him,
      day and night undergoing hardship,
      never knowing rest.
      Because he slandered this sutra,
      this is the punishment he will incur.
      If he should become a human being,
      his faculties will be blighted and dull,
      he will be puny, vile, bent, crippled,
      blind, deaf, hunchbacked.
      The things he says
      people will not believe,
      the breath from his mouth will be constantly foul,
      he will be possessed by demons,
      poor and lowly,
      ordered around by others,
      plagued by many ailments, thin and gaunt,
      having no one to turn to.
      Though he attached himself to others,
      they would never think of him;
      though he might gain something,
      he would at once lose or forget it.
      Though he might practice the art of medicine
      and by its methods cure someone’s disease,
      the person would grow sicker from some other malady
      and perhaps in the end would die.
      If he himself had an illness,
      no one would aid or nurse him,
      and though he took good medicine,
      it would only make his condition worse.
      If others should commit traitorous acts,
      plunder, and rob,
      blames for such sins
      would be unjustly visited on him.
      p.113A sinful person of this sort
      will never see the Buddha,
      the king of the many sages,
      preaching the Law, teaching and converting.
      A sinful person of this sort
      will constantly be born amid difficulties,
      crazed, deaf, confused in mind,
      and never will hear the Law.
      For countless kalpas
      numerous as Ganges sands
      he will at birth become deaf and dumb,
      his faculties impaired,
      will constantly dwell in hell,
      strolling in it as though it were a garden,
      and the other evil paths of existence
      he will look on as his own home.
      Camel, donkey, pig, dog—
      these will be the forms he will take on.
      Because he slandered this sutra,
      this is the punishment he will incur.
      If he should become a human being,
      he will be deaf, blind, dumb.
      Poverty, want, all kinds of decay
      will be his adornment;
      water blisters, diabetes,
      scabs, sores, ulcers,
      maladies such as these
      will be his garments.
      His body will always smell bad,
      filthy and impure.
      Deeply attached to views of self,
      he will grow in anger and hatred;
      aflame with licentious desires,
      he will not spurn even birds or beasts.
      Because he slandered this sutra,
      this is the punishment he will incur.
      I tell you, Shariputra,
      if I were to describe the punishments that fall
      on persons who slander this sutra,
      I could exhaust a kalpa and never come to the end.

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    9. I had a friend like ohgee once. His name was Mony, We called him Money. We had a mutually beneficial financial arrangement and we sometimes went to lunch and dinner. One day he got drunk and really told me what he thought about me, that he hated me and only remained friendly because of our financial arrangement. Of course, it was never the same among us. So too, it will never be the same with ohgee. One can truly see how far it is from being a Buddha is ohgee, practicing the Lotus Sutra in such a warped and negligent manner.

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    10. I had a friend like ohgee once. His name was Mony, We called him Money. We had a mutually beneficial financial arrangement and we sometimes went to lunch and dinner. One day he got drunk and really told me what he thought about me, that he hated me and only remained friendly because of our financial arrangement. Of course, it was never the same among us. So too, it will never be the same with ohgee. One can truly see how far it is from being a Buddha is ohgee, practicing the Lotus Sutra in such a warped and negligent manner.

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    11. I don't know how to respond to your paranoid imagination. You don't appear to be a person of reason nor Buddhism, but then that's probably an apt description of an Asura.

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    12. Asuras like you ohgee shoot arrows at the sun ["So meeting on Eagle Peak for me is meeting those we hate" [# 7 of the 8 Sufferings].

      "The king of the asuras, angered at the deity Shakra, shot an arrow at the sun god, but the arrow came back and struck the king himself in the eye. King Chou of the Yin dynasty used the sun as a target for his arrows, and in the end he was destroyed."and so too will you be destroyed ohgee.

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  19. Several hundred million Muslims are at war with you. The Q'uran teaches thus.

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  20. "I don't know how to respond to your paranoid imagination".
    ohgee, you don't know how to STOP responding from your NEED to assert your warped perceptions! This is neither reason or Buddhism-- and yes, you fit the description of an Asura.

    Surely there must be people you hate that you can harass right where you are-- or do you only hate those who read, recite and uphold the Lotus Sutra?--

    Do you only hate those who practice in accordance with the teachings of Nichiren?

    Do you really, really despise People who chant Namu-myoho-renge-kyo ?

    I guess there aren't any true followers of Nichiren where you are---?

    ~Katie

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  21. Having a hear to heart here is not possible. If you're trying to be less likable, then congratulations!
    "If not for skillful means, we would be unable to call on or draw near others, unable to have a heart-to-heart with them. That would be impossible. So, the Buddha had to use skillful means to deliver others. This is the power of the Buddha's wisdom. He uses the power of His wisdom, which is "like nothing in this world. I want to awaken your mind. Only if you like me will you listen to me. [I hope] you will not only to listen to me, but also be willing to draw near me, that you will not only draw near me, but also be able to understand my thinking."
    Since you reject all skillful means, you folks drift even further into alienation.
    "I guess there aren't any true followers of Nichiren where you are---?
    Huh? Again, I don't know how to respond to such suspicions, gibberish and imaginations.

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    1. So, ohgee- you have hardly employed *skillful means* to engage here *heart to heart*; and you reject the True teachings of Nichiren and the Lotus Sutra. So-oooo---then;

      Why are YOU here? To further criticize and condemn practitioners of Nichiren Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- adding equal parts of condescension and pure arrogance- tsk tsk....

      Speaking only for myself, I am not alienated in any sense of the word-- not with regards to my Buddhist practice, my family, career and community life--

      I have no inclination and no time to surf the web for a group to condemn and provoke-- but since you do, the *poison drum* effect may be the extent of your fortune-- ?

      You are probably isolated, alienated, or just plain anti-social--. Here you can find solutions to the suffering that compels you to commit grave offenses against the Lotus Sutra. You will also find warnings against your unbridled slander of the Law and of its votaries.

      You couldn't ask for better-" good friends of the Dharma" than you'll find here--. That best explains why you keep coming back...

      Cheers~
      ~Katie

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  22. You missed the part way back about I don't give a fig about what you think of me. Best guess is the SGI felt the same after the first of your many faxes.

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  23. Snakes know the way of snakes...
    Best guess is that your insight ~SGI is no coincidence ;-)

    ~Katie

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  24. Yeah, we both had same hunch as your petty insecurities, need for attention.
    [YAWN]

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    1. Yup! ohgee & SGI--"both had same hunch"- from same world of animality (foolishness) and drinking from same cup full of the poison of anger (superiority)...

      Tsk Tsk---
      ~Katie

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    2. nice katie.....................poor og.

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