"Some people, despite their shallow understanding, pretend staunch faith and speak contemptuously to their fellow believers, thus often disrupting the faith of others. Leave such people strictly alone."
This is very explicit statement with no caveats. I think that speaking to or about fellow believers with a contemptuous tone reflects "shallow understanding". I say this because if one does not believe that all possess the Buddha nature and that those who recite the daimoku are respect worthy, then they are lacking understanding of the profound, unique teaching of the Lotus Sutra. Only in the LS does the Buddha teach that ALL have the potential to attain Buddhahood; that He has fulfilled His vow to make it possible for ALL living beings to attain the same benefits He, the Buddha has attained-- simply by hearing and believing the LS. Pre Lotus Sutra, even killing the enemies of the Buddha's teachings was acceptable, for example. If it weren't for the fact that the contemptuous trashing of "other" Nichiren sects, comprised of believers who recite the daimoku, occurs on a public forum, I would abide Nichiren's admonition and leave Mark & co. "strictly alone".
Regarding the "difference in daimoku chanted by one who goes against the sutra's intent"; I take that to heart for self reflection and self correction, NOT as a directive to generalize and condemn others. Nichiren encouraged his followers to read his writings together, encouraging discussion not weaponizing his teachings." ~ Katie
Yes Katie, "fellow believers". Not the following types of people:
"How great is the difference between the blessings received when a sage chants the daimoku and the blessings received when we chant it" to reply, one is in no way superior to the other. the gold that a fool possesses is no different from the gold that a wise man possesses; a fire made by a fool is the same as a fire made by a wise man. HOWEVER, there is a difference if one chants the daimoku while acting against the intent of this sutra".
"In the same way, the renegade disciples say, “Though the priest Nichiren is our teacher, he is too forceful. We will spread the Lotus Sutra in a more peaceful way.” In so asserting, they are being as ridiculous as fireflies laughing at the sun and moon, an anthill belittling Mount Hua, wells and brooks despising the river and the ocean, or a magpie mocking a phoenix. Namu-myoho-renge-kyo." -Letter from Sado
Soka Gakkai leaders and Nichiren Shoshu priests and believers are slanderers and renegade disciples: Practice of interfaith; mixing of practices, ie: Yuiga Yoga or Guru Yoga as advocated by Josei Toda and put into practice by Daisaku Ikeda (SGI mentor/disciple) ; a Zen derived Patriarchal Transmission practiced in Nichiren Shoshu and SGI (Three Presidents doctrine) instead of a transmission through Namu Myoho renge kyo, Gohonzon, and Lotus Sutra; Reliance on the Presidents and the High Priests instead of absolute reliance on the Law; doctrines most often derived from Goshos NOT in Nichiren's hand (both SGI and NST; depreciating the 28 Chapter Lotus Sutra, its Prologue and Epilogue Sutras, claiming that Daisaku Ikeda's Human Revolution novels are "The Lotus Sutra of the modern age"; depreciating Shakyamuni Buddha, thus having a different Three Treasures than Nichiren (both Soka Gakkai and Nichiren Shoshu); and SGI slandering the Nichiren Shoshu and the Nichiren Shoshu slandering the SGI, despite both being Fuji schools having virtually the same doctrines AND Both SGI and NST slandering the "Orthodox" sects, for example, the Nichiren Shu and the Kempon Hokke.
Proof of my assertion that there are slanderers and renegade disciples who chant Namu Myoho renge kyo:
"The Jikaku and Chishō factions war with each other incessantly; the latter-day followers of Kōbō in the head temple on Mount Kōya and those of Shōgaku-bō in Dembō-in [on Mount Negoro], Mount Hiei and Onjō-ji temple, wrangle back and forth like asura demons, fight like so many monkeys and dogs."
“They entirely look up to groups of icchantikas and rely on them as leaders and, reverencing slanderers against the Dharma, make them national teachers (ie: Ikeda). Taking up the Classic Filial Piety of Confucius, they beat their parents’ heads and, while CHANTING the LOTUS SUTRA of Lord Shakya with their mouths, THEY GO AGAINST the MASTER OF TEACHINGS.”
Nichiren, quoting Dengyo states, “Although they praise the Hokkekyo, on the contrary, they kill the heart of the Hokke.”
“They entirely look up to groups of icchantikas and rely on them as leaders and, reverencing slanderers against the Dharma, make them national teachers. Taking up the Classic Filial Piety of Confucius, they beat their parents’ heads and, while chanting the Lotus Sutra of Lord Shakya with their mouths, they go against the Master of teachings.”
and
"For persons of the Tendai Lotus school to chant Namu-myoho-renge-kyo themselves and yet give their approval when others repeat the Nembutsu would be strange enough. Yet not only do they fail to remonstrate with them, but they criticize one who does confront the Nembutsu school, which is strange indeed!"
and
"Now you should make a great vow and pray for your next life. If you are disbelieving or slander the correct teaching even in the slightest, you will certainly fall into the great citadel of the hell of incessant suffering. Suppose there is a ship that sails on the open sea. Though the ship is stoutly built, if it is flooded by a leak, those on the ship are sure to drown together. Though the embankment between rice fields is firm, if there is an ant hole in it, then surely, in the long run, it will not remain full of water. Bail the seawater of slander and disbelief out of the ship of your life, and solidify the embankments of your faith. If a believer’s offense is slight, overlook it, and lead that person to obtain benefits. If it is serious, encourage him to strengthen his faith so that he can expiate the sin."
and
"In the same way, the renegade disciples say, “Though the priest Nichiren is our teacher, he is too forceful. We will spread the Lotus Sutra in a more peaceful way.” In so asserting, they are being as ridiculous as fireflies laughing at the sun and moon, an anthill belittling Mount Hua, wells and brooks despising the river and the ocean, or a magpie mocking a phoenix. Namu-myoho-renge-kyo."
and
"Daigaku and Uemon no Tayū had their prayers answered because they followed my advice. Hakiri seems to believe my teachings, but he ignored my suggestions about his lawsuit, and so I have been concerned about its progress. Some good seems to have come of it, perhaps because I warned him that he would lose unless he followed my advice. But because he did not listen to the extent I had hoped, the outcome has been less fruitful than he expected.
If lay believers and their teacher pray with differing minds, their prayers will be as futile as trying to kindle a fire on water. Even if they pray with one mind, their prayers will go unanswered if they have long made the error of attacking greater teachings with lesser ones. Eventually, both lay believers and their teacher will be ruined."
and
“If there are those who possess differing ideas concerning the three treasures, then truly you should know that these people can no longer hope to take refuge in, or rely upon, the three pure treasures. They will never gain benefit from any of the precepts, and in the end, they will fail to obtain the fruits of the voice-hearer, the cause-awakened one, or the bodhisattva.”
and
"In that age there will be evil monks who will steal this sutra and divide it into many parts, losing the color, scent, and flavor of the correct teaching that it contains. These evil men will read and recite this sutra, but they will ignore and put aside the profound and vital principles that the Thus Come One has expounded in it and replace them with ornate rhetoric and meaningless talk. They will tear off the first part of the sutra and stick it on at the end, tear off the end and put it at the beginning, put the end and the beginning in the middle and the middle at the beginning or the end. You must understand that these evil monks are the companions of the devil.”
Therefore, it is not difficult to understand that without a correct faith how one may develop a resistance to Nichiren's exemplary practice.
"Among my disciples, those who think themselves well versed in Buddhism are the ones who make errors. Namu-myoho-renge-kyo is the heart of the Lotus Sutra. It is like the soul of a person. To revere another teaching as its equal is to be like a consort who is married to two emperors, or who secretly commits adultery with a minister or a humble subject. It can only be a cause for disaster
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"Now I, Nichiren, understand these things because of what I myself have undergone. But even if there are those among my disciples who understand them, they fear the accusations of the times; believing that their lives, which are as frail as dew, are in fact to be relied upon, they backslide, keep their beliefs hidden in their hearts, or behave in other such ways."
and
"But if any of Nichiren’s disciples disrupt the unity of many in body but one in mind, they would be like warriors who destroy their own castle from within."
and
"However, there is a difference if one chants the daimoku while acting against the intent of this sutra."
and
"Take these teachings to heart, and always remember that believers in the Lotus Sutra should absolutely be the last to abuse one another. All those who keep faith in the Lotus Sutra are most certainly Buddhas, and one who slanders a Buddha commits a grave offense."
and
"In the first five hundred years of the Former Day of the Law following the Buddha’s passing, only Hinayana teachings spread, while in the next five hundred years, provisional Mahayana teachings spread. The thousand years of the Middle Day of the Law saw the rise of the theoretical teaching. In the beginning of the Latter Day of the Law, only the essential teaching spreads, but even so, the theoretical teaching should not be discarded. Nowhere in the entire Lotus Sutra do we find a passage suggesting that we should discard the first fourteen chapters, which comprise the theoretical teaching. When we distinguish between the theoretical and the essential teachings on the basis of the threefold classification of the entire body of the Buddha’s teachings, the pre-Lotus Sutra teachings were to be spread in the Former Day, and the theoretical teaching, in the Middle Day, but the Latter Day is the time to propagate the essential teaching. In the present period the essential teaching is primary, while the theoretical teaching is subordinate. But those who therefore discard the latter, saying it is not the way to enlightenment, and believe only in the former, have not yet understood the doctrine of Nichiren’s true intention. Theirs is a completely distorted view.
This doctrine concerning the theoretical and essential teachings is not my own [but was expounded by the Buddha]. Those who would distort it can only be possessed by the heavenly devil, or Pāpīyas, and will topple others along with themselves into the great citadel of the hell of incessant suffering. How foolish they are! Teach this doctrine to others clearly as I have taught you these many years. Those who call themselves my disciples and practice the Lotus Sutra should all practice as I do. If they do, Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, Shakyamuni’s emanations throughout the ten directions, and the ten demon daughters will protect them. Yet, for all that, [some people associated with Ōta Jōmyō distort the teaching]. I cannot fathom what could be in their minds."
I will leave this post up front for a few days.
ReplyDelete" Yes Katie, "fellow believers". Not the following types of people:"
ReplyDeleteA "believer" continues to chant daimoku "no matter what".
I do not see anything but your personal, arbitrary delineations at play here. If you think you are qualified to decide who is and is not a "believer" based on what you know of how Buddhism is "studied". with emphasis on "study" as opposed to "practiced", I would argue you are wrong. In fact, you decide even I am not a "believer" as you flagrantly demean and chastise me here. LOL!!! Here, where you prefer to address me, having no ability or interest in doing so personally! Hard to believe that you aren't the one failing to have civil discussions with any SGI member ---
~Katie
I don't claim to know. I follow Nichiren on such matters: "Many such examples of slander are also found among Nichiren’s disciples and lay believers." - Nichiren
DeleteIt is duly noted that you regularly address me with contempt ; same for Jerry, previously Greg and countless others . Contemptuous speech is defined and yours matches the definition. That you continue to use Nichiren’s words re slanderers of his time to justify yourself is itself contemptible. I realize you cannot see yourself realistically and that’s the problem !
ReplyDelete~ Katie
Jerry too??? It seems that only SGI slanderers indulge you. Is that because you are complicit in their slander or because you, a non-SGI (as Zenman Clark Strand), are an SGI supporter and feather in their cap? Equally to the point, you give far better than you take and you say, that I can't see myself realistically. Your comment is actual proof that you don't have a mirror in which to see yourself. A pity, a shame!
DeleteOh, you forgot emailing Greg and I that “ Jerry is not worth our spittle”. It’s you deciding which believers are “ okay” and invariably those in the okay category agree with your Rambo practice ! BTW, I support believers wherever they may be. I also never forget the fortune I have to have encountered this practice from a co-worker, SGI me,Bert, or all of the wonderful people I met in SGI who helped me continue through my early years with this practice. Remember “ gratitude for all living beings “? I am well over your condemnation rhetoric . Real life, real time experiences that contradict everything you rail against won over your control freak domination. Jerry and I came to agreement from the experience and study that you are way off. I continued to engage him, the most accomplished Buddhist scholar I have met, ignoring your inhumane advice ! I don’t give much thought to the base minded stuff you promote here, whether aimed at me or others . What is there “ to take” from the degradation you promote here ? It’s Mappo . Par for the course . ~ Katie
DeleteI see. Jerry was wise to go over to the slanderous Nichiren Shoshu. You support SGI, are you any less complicit in slander. You seem to love the "degredation" I profer, you cant get enough of it. You are quite the masochist. Since you continuously lie about me, I will continue to tell the truth about you.
DeleteNot that you would know — or rather, how could you know that Jerry is completely independent as am I. By the same token, it is obvious you don’t find any value in life to life connections much less comprehend the difference between respecting other believers and “ supporting” an organization !
DeleteYou choose how you respond so your degradation of us just exposes you. Since you care so little about how you come off, I am happy to inform you, I care even less.
~ Katie
but really you are only and always establishing your perspective as infallible ;
ReplyDeletethat you are right to demean anyone “ you” deem a slanderer.
what makes your blog unique is the extent to which you assert yourself as the bottom line and only credible follower of Nichiren .
most believers aren’t’ buying what you’re selling
I don’t recommend this forum
Anonymous and my dear Katie, the Buddha told Devedatta, "You are a fool who licks the spittle of others." Have I followed the Buddha in reprimanding you in such a manner? Perhaps I have not been forceful; enough?
DeleteI don’t seek “ middle men” to reprimand me , Mark. I trust Myoho Renge Kyo in my own life for that’!
DeleteGo ahead and keep spouting off like you’re a sage, that doesn’t make you anymore credible , actually less so, considering that status is unattainable at this time . ~ Katie
I only care about the teachings and what certain sects and individuals have done to the teachings of Nichiren. SGI and its supporters come to mind.
DeleteGrievance, grudge and gossip !
DeleteWhat does upholding the teachings look like ?
One’s behavior as a human being is the only true measure of one’s faith in “ the teachings”.
~ Katie