SGI member Alann refused to address the issue of his manipulative and slanderous bull baiting of me, an SGI critic. His words would have led the reader to believe that I advocate killing in the name of Nichiren’s Gohonzon.
I responded: Now Jim is blaming people’s deaths on me. Just yesterday Alann asserted I would kill him if I had the opportunity. Do you really want to belong to a sect (actually a cult) represented by such men? If it is merely their views, then they should be censured by their peers, shouldn’t they? I will not hold my breath. Anyway, it would be better to outlaw the one evil doctrine of the SGI than to offer up ten thousand prayers. Bentetsu is right when he says, the Ita Mandara (DaiGohonzon) breeds evil men.
Alann: Mark, you have revealed yourself beyond all question to be a liar with no respect for truth whatsoever. I never made any such assertions.
Mark: No? Let us recap what you said: “Then the sheer volume of words must eventually take effect and you will have some new members. However great your own self control and however deep your commitment to the Buddhist ideal of non violence, the seeds of hate and intolerance you sow in the hearts of new believers cannot fail to blossom one day into a harvest of ugly and destructive violence.”
According to you, my words “will lead to ugly and destructive violence?” What is “ugly and destructive violence”? One must conclude that you attribute killing and murder to my words. The only (and logical) conclusion of “ugly and destructive violence ” is killing and murder. Do you think that because you didn’t come out and say "killing and murder", the import of your words doesn’t mean just that?
I responded: Now Jim is blaming people’s deaths on me. Just yesterday Alann asserted I would kill him if I had the opportunity. Do you really want to belong to a sect (actually a cult) represented by such men? If it is merely their views, then they should be censured by their peers, shouldn’t they? I will not hold my breath. Anyway, it would be better to outlaw the one evil doctrine of the SGI than to offer up ten thousand prayers. Bentetsu is right when he says, the Ita Mandara (DaiGohonzon) breeds evil men.
Alann: Mark, you have revealed yourself beyond all question to be a liar with no respect for truth whatsoever. I never made any such assertions.
Mark: No? Let us recap what you said: “Then the sheer volume of words must eventually take effect and you will have some new members. However great your own self control and however deep your commitment to the Buddhist ideal of non violence, the seeds of hate and intolerance you sow in the hearts of new believers cannot fail to blossom one day into a harvest of ugly and destructive violence.”
According to you, my words “will lead to ugly and destructive violence?” What is “ugly and destructive violence”? One must conclude that you attribute killing and murder to my words. The only (and logical) conclusion of “ugly and destructive violence ” is killing and murder. Do you think that because you didn’t come out and say "killing and murder", the import of your words doesn’t mean just that?
The SGI has been using subtle mind control techniques and psychological manipulation since its inception to sow the seeds of hatred. Haven’t you seen the, “I denounce the Soka Gakkai” articles from 1970? You have been so indoctrinated that you don’t even see that you use psychological mind control techniques. As Nichiren says: “They have slandered so long that it is as natural for them as playing in a garden.” You have been proven to have lied and slandered me. I don’t need an apology. All I ask is that you reflect on yourself and your faith.
Alann then wrote, to drive home his point: “The endless wars in the Mideast between Jews and Muslims, and between rival Muslim sects, all trace their roots to disputes in interpretation and succession, eerily similar to ours.”
I retorted: Your calumny was already sown when you wrote, “However great your own self control and however deep your commitment to the Buddhist ideal of non violence, the seeds of hate and intolerance you sow in the hearts of new believers cannot fail to blossom one day into a harvest of ugly and destructive violence.” Perhaps you thought this view was too extreme, in light of the history of non-violence of the Kempon Hokke (in contradistinction to the history of the SGI) or perhaps you wish to make your slanderous view more palatable to the readers, so you now send a mixed message: “The endless wars in the Mideast between Jews and Muslims, and between rival Muslim sects, all trace their roots to disputes in interpretation and succession eerily similar to ours.” This may lead the less astute reader of your post to equate my words with “killing and murder” and possibly to equate me with killing and murder. Is this not what the Nembutsu priests did to the disciples of Nichiren, claiming that we were taking up arms against them (only the SGI is even more subtle in their calumny)?
Alann then wrote: “In my view it’s only a short step from celebrating or mocking one anothers deaths to actively seeking to bring about one anothers deaths.”
I replied: Here you once again attempted to lead the reader to equate what I wrote about the SGI, their leaders and members untoward deaths, “To bringing about one another’s deaths.” This again is like the provisional Buddhists attacking Nichiren for what he said about the Nembutsu priests in the Rissho Ankoku Ron without taking cognizance of his qualifying statements a few short passages later. The SGI is a master at sowing the seeds of hatred and impugning the character of their detractors.
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According to you, pointing out the reality and actuality of someone’s death is the same as celebrating or mocking another's death but Nagarjuna, Tientai, and Nichiren also employed this teaching device.
According to you, pointing out the reality and actuality of someone’s death is the same as celebrating or mocking another's death but Nagarjuna, Tientai, and Nichiren also employed this teaching device.
Alann [towards the end of his post, he again reverted to SGI’s time honored cult technique of bull baiting]: “I ask you honestly, if you were to kill me and go home and do gongyo to your “Nichiren” Gohonzon, would you still be ‘free from fault, as one part poison mixed with 1,000 parts water’?”
I responded: As if I know what it would be like to kill someone, as if I had even entertained the thought.
Alann then posted: “You claimed in an earlier post as a disciple of Nichiren Daishonin you are rendered ‘free from fault, as 1 part poison mixed with 1,000,000 parts water.’ ”
and I wrote: That is the power of a correct faith and practice, exactly as Nichiren and the Lotus Sutra teach.
Then, despite Alann’s repeated denials that he made the above statements, he peristed:
"I asked, please note that word ASKED, you, in light of this absurd claim, a simple QUESTION: “If you were to kill me today and go home and do gongyo to your ‘Nichiren’ Gohonzon, would you still be free from fault ?” That was (and is) my QUESTION, anyone doubting this can check for themselves.”
I responded: He was taking his question out of context to prove that I lied about his true intentions but in fact, it only served to validate what I said: That he attempted to plant the seed in people’s minds that my words are akin to killing and murder and therefore I would have no compunction in killing him or any SGI in the name of my Nichiren Gohonzon. I then wrote, “you may call it a simple question but I call it a loaded question as was your entire post.”
Alann then wrote: “The thread in question in Alternate Religion Buddhism of Nichiren is ‘apparent deceptions and double standards of the sgi’ the date is 10/2/98 7:27pm. Please check it out.”
Mark: By all means, check it out.
Alann: This clearly and irrefutably establishes that Rogow is a shameless liar and a deluded sociopath who uses religion to satisfy his strange need for superiority.
Mark: On the contrary, we see once again why the thread is entitled: ‘apparent deceptions and double standards of the sgi’
Allan: I made no assertions or accusations and mentioned nothing about ‘having the chance’, yet Rogow KNOWING THIS claims otherwise.
Mark: The SGI never comes out and says what it really means. Their members invariably resort to subtle psychological manipulation to destroy faith in whomever they perceive as their enemies. That is known as deception. Double standards refers to their outcries when another demonstrates himself or herself to be less than perfect.
Allan: I shall view him henceforth as the liar he has proven himself to be and I shall regard all of his posts as tainted by deception. I honestly regard this as an outrage and, in light of his constant hectoring, I beseech you all to investigate this yourselves and denounce him for the liar that he has beyond all question of interpretation, proven himself to be.
Mark: Then, I received the following comment [which I trashed] from Saad: “Stop hating and get a life. Secondly what have you done lately besides bad mouthing people who want something in their life. Developed a website that really is not about nothing. Is this your legacy to mankind? I only came across it because I googled Rock the Era and wanted to see what a nay sayer had to say. You are pitiful. I am going to send you some daimoku. Also peace happiness and love to you brother. Put some effort into something positive and you may make something of your life before you leave this earth. Peace out and don’t bother to respond because I am done with you!”
SGI members have been slandering me for 20 years, almost on a daily basis, despite backing up my assertions with photographs, quotes, and historical fact.
Anyone who remains in the SGI or is thinking of joining, remember that the Nichikan Gohonzon leads invariably to misfortune and breeds evil men.
I check in every few months to see if if Rogow is still spewing his sociopathic and maniacal trash. Yup, he is still doing it. This has nothing to do with religion, Buddhism or SGI. He is is just a very sad mentally ill person with 45 followers. He is not interested in creating peace and harmony in this world. He is only interested in projected his misguided anger that should rightly be directed at his parents (most likely). If he truly was interested in the compassion of Buddhism he would pray for other's happiness rather than ranting and raving and believing he is one of the chosen few.. I believe that if we look in to his so called "real life" we would find another paranoid, alienated and depressed person trying to tear down the world around him under the silly and deluded idea that he and his "robin Hood" like band are truly saving the world by constant denunciation. All I can do is continue to pray for him out of compassion. Because he comes from a deep, deep world of anger, it is interesting to notice how he sources the anger in others. Are you compassionately saving other human beings, Mark? How many have you truly helped? Please look honestly and deeply within yourself to find where all this vitriolic anger comes from? It is truly very sad to see a learned dentist so obsessed by anger hatred and deluding himself into thinking he is a true believer.
ReplyDeleteobviously, anon, you know nothing of the real buddhist teachings. typical sgi cultie. instead of whine and cry why don't you debate mark about the teachings. can't do it? yeah, thats what i thought. you will fall into hell, or already have.
DeleteI am a physician, not a dentist and everything else you spew is also wrong. You would admonish Nichiren for his rebuke of slander. You are the pitiful one who can't discuss the teachings and you prove my point that all SGI members can offer in the form of dialogue and debate is cult "bull baiting". Stay clear of the Soka Gakkai and continue to chant Namu Myoho renge kyo.
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ReplyDeleteGreg, s/he is already a nasty, spiteful,cowardly, self righteous, lost idiot to say the least that desperately needs our prayers. Hopefully our prayers may help herhim wakeup from the ikedamuni sect or some other delusional sect that has blinded himher to Nichiren's teachings and then it may start to take the Lotus Sutra and Gosho seriously.
ReplyDeletehopefully noel. sgi/nst produce cowards who remain ignorant of the real teachings, they only have themselves to blame, period.
DeleteTo SGI cult members the definition of truth is "vitriolic anger". Again, how pitiful!
ReplyDeletei have not found an sgi/nst member yet(7 years), who is capably of discussing the real teachings. all they can do is drool about their low-life , money-grabbing, power-hungry ,fat mentor who could not win a debate about buddhism with even a little sissy-diaper-wearing nichiren shoshu priest, or anyone else of any sect. pitiful, pathetic, disgusting! those that go anonymous are even lower than what has been already mentioned .
ReplyDeletei have not found an sgi/nst member yet(7 years), who is capably of discussing the real teachings. all they can do is drool about their low-life , money-grabbing, power-hungry ,fat mentor who could not win a debate about buddhism with even a little sissy-diaper-wearing nichiren shoshu priest, or anyone else of any sect. pitiful, pathetic, disgusting! those that go anonymous are even lower than what has been already mentioned .
ReplyDeleteGreg sometimes people who complain about the SGI on this site and go by the name of anonymous are scared of what the SGI may do to themselves or their loved ones. Their friends could also be telling them not to use their real name but to use anonymous because they are also scared of the SGI
ReplyDeleteAnd yet their are those who don't give their name because they are playing some game like ohgee and Rita and some are scared of the 45 members of Eagle Peak
yes noel................again, the gakkai and ikeda senseless can only produce cowards and cowards cannot have their prayers answered.
Deleterita and her comatose ikeda cannot speak of the real buddhist teachings due to outrageous slander of the law. . we know rita has received strict guidance from her myriad of leaders. ski members can't wipe their own butt without getting strict guidance from it's hancho.
I'm pretty sure of the identity of Rita. He's a real good guy when he's not in drag.
ReplyDeletei boned him. but only because he kept crying and begging. i felt sorry for it.
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Deleterita. just another product of ikeda and the sgi. incapable of discussing the teachings with a strange look on its face.
ReplyDeleteGreg is not afraid of expressing his masculine side.
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