Karla wrote:
> Sorry Everyone .... Correction .... Not Niko - Nikko (big difference
> in role I'll admit - not a big difference in sound or spelling
> unfortunately) However the truth remains the same. In the early days
> of the Minobu Sect many letters to followers were burned - this didn't
> apply to the big treatises.
> Sorry Everyone .... Correction .... Not Niko - Nikko (big difference
> in role I'll admit - not a big difference in sound or spelling
> unfortunately) However the truth remains the same. In the early days
> of the Minobu Sect many letters to followers were burned - this didn't
> apply to the big treatises.
There seems to be an order of debate that consistently appears when
Taisekiji followers are closely questioned about their core doctrines
(Super Dai-Gohonzon, Nichiren as the Eternal Buddha, Buddhist Papacy,
Nikko as sole heir to Nichiren). First there is the discovery that there
is no support for any of these claims in the major treaties written by
Nichiren. Then the letters of Nichiren that have been translated into
English are examined and still no help for these theories. Surely then,
discussion of Nikko as sole heir or the supremacy of the Dai-Gohonzon and
the like, must be found in precious letters or treatises not yet
translated. This step had sustained Taisekiji partisans here in the USA
for many years until the recent modes of faster communication began and
several American Nichiren Scholars coming on the scene and the
untranslated could now be examined.. No support in untranslated gosho can
be found either.
Now where to turn for the vital evidence? Perhaps the letters or
documents by the second generation, such as the Ongi Kuden attributed to
Nikko. It turns out that this and some other documents attributed to Nikko
where not written by him at all, but appeared on the scene much after his
death. When examined by experts in such documents, we find out that they
are clearly forgeries (see Jacqueline Stones "Some Disputed Writings in
the Nichiren Corpus", UMI Publications 1800521-0600 to order). The Ongi
Kuden isn t going to convince anyone except the already converted.
Finally comes the end game excuse. "There was plenty of documentation for
Taisekiji s core doctrines, but the evil Minobu Branch burned them all".
Taisekiji s core doctrines, but the evil Minobu Branch burned them all".
A few points. I have heard of only one large fire at Minobu.It took place
in the late nineteenth century. A few documents were lost, most notably
the original of the Kaimoku Sho [The Opening of the Eyes]. However, the
nineteenth century is late in the history of Nichiren Buddhism and the
Kaimoku Sho had been copied and written about enough times that we can rely
with certainly on those copies to learn what it said . No help for
Taisekiji in that event.
in the late nineteenth century. A few documents were lost, most notably
the original of the Kaimoku Sho [The Opening of the Eyes]. However, the
nineteenth century is late in the history of Nichiren Buddhism and the
Kaimoku Sho had been copied and written about enough times that we can rely
with certainly on those copies to learn what it said . No help for
Taisekiji in that event.
To argue the case for burning further, the precious proof documents must
have been burned in secret. But as Petry points out, the "Nichiren Shu" is
a modern organization comprised of many many formally independent Nichiren
sects. Shades of O.J. ! That would be quite a conspiracy to root out and
burn letters in Nichiren's or Nikko s own hand scattered across the land.
Plus how about the other major school of Nichiren, the Shoretsu? Who
got them to root out any letters they may have had?
Think about what it would have taken to actually burn these supposed
documents. It would require that not a single person would have objected
to removing a hand written letter from Nichiren and throwing it into
a fire. No fear of going to Hell, no sense of betraying Nichiren. Just
cold calculated Temple politics.
Finally, (and I think this point puts a wooden stake into the heart of
Taisekiji claims) where is the side chatter? Where are letters from the
thousands of other Priests and learned lay people commenting on, or even
vaguely referring to these Taisekiji doctrines? Nissho, Nichiro, Niko,
Nichiji and their subordinate Priests and all of their lay followers
never wrote to anyone? Not one letter survives. Not one passing
reference to the Dai-Gohonzon or to any specific instance of Gosho
burning.? Hard to believe.
Master Nichiren inscribed the central object of worship for all mankind
today. Suggest we ignore. Careful to never mention to any of our followers
or ever write about it. I will keep the Master drunk on Sake for several
years so he can't object to, or notice our plan.
today. Suggest we ignore. Careful to never mention to any of our followers
or ever write about it. I will keep the Master drunk on Sake for several
years so he can't object to, or notice our plan.
Nissho
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Master Nichiren wrote out a document today transferring sole leadership of
the Sangha to Nikko. It seemed to be his dying wish. Suggest we ignore.
Never mention to anyone or write about it. I will keep Nikko drunk on Sake
so he won t be able to write about it either.
the Sangha to Nikko. It seemed to be his dying wish. Suggest we ignore.
Never mention to anyone or write about it. I will keep Nikko drunk on Sake
so he won t be able to write about it either.
Nichiro
For more info. On authentic Nichiren Buddhism,
please travel to Kamakura
For more info. On authentic Nichiren Buddhism,
please travel to Kamakura
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As one of Master Nichiren s closest and longest followers, I know, cause
he told me so , that He was the Eternal Buddha, not Shakyamuni. Why has
nothing been written about this? What happened to all of the Masters
writings that mention this. Are you guys burning them?
WHY AM I BEING SENT TO MANCHURIA ???
he told me so , that He was the Eternal Buddha, not Shakyamuni. Why has
nothing been written about this? What happened to all of the Masters
writings that mention this. Are you guys burning them?
WHY AM I BEING SENT TO MANCHURIA ???
Nichiji
Pants in a bunch
Pants in a bunch
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